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		<title>Comment on CPC meets POTUS by admin</title>
		<link>http://waprogressives.org/?p=128#comment-1149</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow-up:  Rep. Jim McDermott (WA) was part of the CPC deligation that met with the President.  No comment at this time from his D.C. office, aides had not talked with him since the meeting took place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow-up:  Rep. Jim McDermott (WA) was part of the CPC deligation that met with the President.  No comment at this time from his D.C. office, aides had not talked with him since the meeting took place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Caucus Report by Chad Lupkes</title>
		<link>http://waprogressives.org/?p=74#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Lupkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conduit:  &quot;a general term for a means of conveying something from one location to another or between persons.&quot;

If a progressive organization, like one focused on health care, the environment, whatever, has an issue that they would like to bring to the attention of the WSDCC, the WSPC is willing to hear about the issue and consider resolutions presented.  That&#039;s all that was meant.  Whether the resolution says &quot;presented by organization XXX&quot;, or &quot;presented by individual ABC&quot;, what matters is the issue and the suggested resolution.

Also, many of the issues that were brought up in the debate about the PDCW mailing list were ones that I had not heard articulated before, even on the WSPC Board list.  I appreciated the discussion, and in all honesty the discussion is what I was after more than anything else.  I wanted to understand why some people might object to uniting the progressive movement in this state, because that&#039;s how I saw it.  That Riseup.net might not accept an official party list was new.  That the tone of some posts on the PDCW list made people uncomfortable was not, but I had not considered that in the right context.  I&#039;m fine with the decision, regardless of how many people were there.

BTW, the progressive caucus was shoved into a room on the other side of the complex, through all the gambling machine rooms, and we were literally in a corner of a lounge.  We met at 8:00 am, and the Young Democrats were supposed to be in the same room after us, and they moved their meeting with no notice to anyone, even the Vice Chair of the Party.  I wasn&#039;t surprised that only 9 voting members attended.  Oh well.

I&#039;m working on a post for this blog that will outline what our next steps will be in followup to the decisions made at the meeting.  A conference call will probably be needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conduit:  &#8220;a general term for a means of conveying something from one location to another or between persons.&#8221;</p>
<p>If a progressive organization, like one focused on health care, the environment, whatever, has an issue that they would like to bring to the attention of the WSDCC, the WSPC is willing to hear about the issue and consider resolutions presented.  That&#8217;s all that was meant.  Whether the resolution says &#8220;presented by organization XXX&#8221;, or &#8220;presented by individual ABC&#8221;, what matters is the issue and the suggested resolution.</p>
<p>Also, many of the issues that were brought up in the debate about the PDCW mailing list were ones that I had not heard articulated before, even on the WSPC Board list.  I appreciated the discussion, and in all honesty the discussion is what I was after more than anything else.  I wanted to understand why some people might object to uniting the progressive movement in this state, because that&#8217;s how I saw it.  That Riseup.net might not accept an official party list was new.  That the tone of some posts on the PDCW list made people uncomfortable was not, but I had not considered that in the right context.  I&#8217;m fine with the decision, regardless of how many people were there.</p>
<p>BTW, the progressive caucus was shoved into a room on the other side of the complex, through all the gambling machine rooms, and we were literally in a corner of a lounge.  We met at 8:00 am, and the Young Democrats were supposed to be in the same room after us, and they moved their meeting with no notice to anyone, even the Vice Chair of the Party.  I wasn&#8217;t surprised that only 9 voting members attended.  Oh well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on a post for this blog that will outline what our next steps will be in followup to the decisions made at the meeting.  A conference call will probably be needed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Witness to a Crime by Mona-WSPC member</title>
		<link>http://waprogressives.org/?p=75#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Mona-WSPC member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Mike McCormick for sending us this link!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Mike McCormick for sending us this link!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Caucus Report by Rich-WSPC member</title>
		<link>http://waprogressives.org/?p=74#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich-WSPC member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What in Godâ€™s name is a â€œflame warâ€?   Please,  one at a time.  After reading each of  the various definitions that may be offered, Iâ€™ll list each one in descending order and thereafter ignore every one of them by number.  Christ, deliver us from Newspeak!  

â€œConduitâ€  is described as  â€œa channel through which anything is conveyedâ€.   So now the WSPC is a conduit?  

Look, I belong to  the WSPC, the PDA, my union and my countyâ€™s central committee.  When I joined the WSPC  I joined it because it was an independent progressive organization recognized by the WSDCC.  Is it still independent, or is it a â€œconduitâ€?

As a PDA member I will bring  (and have brought) resolutions to the WSPC that originated in the PDA.  They were not, however,  listed as coming from the PDA.  They either first came from my countyâ€™s central committee or, when time did not allow a central committee meeting to be held prior to a WSPC meeting,  they were submitted in my name.   I also brought resolutions that originated in my union.  Just as with PDA resolutions, they did not say they came from my union.  I also brought resolutions that originated in my countyâ€™s central committee.  The point that I am making is that resolutions come from various sources.  In the final analysis, however, the WSPC must not be a â€œconduitâ€ for any particular organizationâ€¦be it the PDA, my union, or any other organization.

The WSPC is one thing, and the other organizations are other things.

I have objected to a very undemocratic process wherein some PDA members have included issues that have conflicted with democratically decided WSPC issues.  The PDA endorses HR 676.  The WSPC endorses HR 676.  Some PDA members in the WSPC support HR 676, and something less than HR 676.  That in and of itself is reason to be  apprehensive.  Which program[s] will the WSPC  â€œconduitâ€?  

I see a great big contradiction.  Is it ok  to be a â€œconduitâ€ for the PDA, but â€œweâ€ sure donâ€™t want to include a PDCW mailing list because those poor folks didnâ€™t vote to join the WSPC?  What baloney!   

Unless I am reading the minutes wrong, I notice that a whole nine (9) people voted on the merger. It failed 6 â€“ 3.  That was a dismal showing at the caucus. Folks, nine people are not indicative of anything other than a nine person caucus.  The WSPC supposedly has many, many times that number.  Whatâ€™s more,  most of the discussion took place on a WSPC Executive Board Google group prior to the caucus.  Participation in that discussion was not available to the general membership.  Letâ€™s face itâ€¦the merger was torpedoed long before it was presented to the caucus.  And someone has the gall to fret about â€œtop downâ€ management?  What a joke.  Some members of the Ex. Bd. are guilty of  top down malarkey.  Ex. Bd. members had no right to stick their noses into the Chairâ€™s right to appoint a person to fill a vacancy on the Ex. Bd.  That didnâ€™t stop them!  They did it anyway. â€œTop downâ€ accusations are only allowed if the finger is pointing at the other guy, eh?  

Take the By-Laws, crumple them up, and toss them.  They are not being followed except for â€œfaux-officialâ€  purposes.   

If the WSPC is going to be a â€œyes manâ€ (i.e. a conduit)  for any other group, why pretend it is going to be something other than that? 

The WSPC  is supposed to be an independent progressive organization within the WSDCC.  It sure isnâ€™t feeling that way to me.  And neither is it being conducted in a democratic fashion.  (And let me make it quite clearâ€¦I am not accusing the Chair of  utilizing undemocratic procedures.)

Gut check time.  I see a lot of  hypocrisy.  Are we an independent organization within the party, or are we a puppet for other groups over which we have no â€“ or very limited â€“ sway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What in Godâ€™s name is a â€œflame warâ€?   Please,  one at a time.  After reading each of  the various definitions that may be offered, Iâ€™ll list each one in descending order and thereafter ignore every one of them by number.  Christ, deliver us from Newspeak!  </p>
<p>â€œConduitâ€  is described as  â€œa channel through which anything is conveyedâ€.   So now the WSPC is a conduit?  </p>
<p>Look, I belong to  the WSPC, the PDA, my union and my countyâ€™s central committee.  When I joined the WSPC  I joined it because it was an independent progressive organization recognized by the WSDCC.  Is it still independent, or is it a â€œconduitâ€?</p>
<p>As a PDA member I will bring  (and have brought) resolutions to the WSPC that originated in the PDA.  They were not, however,  listed as coming from the PDA.  They either first came from my countyâ€™s central committee or, when time did not allow a central committee meeting to be held prior to a WSPC meeting,  they were submitted in my name.   I also brought resolutions that originated in my union.  Just as with PDA resolutions, they did not say they came from my union.  I also brought resolutions that originated in my countyâ€™s central committee.  The point that I am making is that resolutions come from various sources.  In the final analysis, however, the WSPC must not be a â€œconduitâ€ for any particular organizationâ€¦be it the PDA, my union, or any other organization.</p>
<p>The WSPC is one thing, and the other organizations are other things.</p>
<p>I have objected to a very undemocratic process wherein some PDA members have included issues that have conflicted with democratically decided WSPC issues.  The PDA endorses HR 676.  The WSPC endorses HR 676.  Some PDA members in the WSPC support HR 676, and something less than HR 676.  That in and of itself is reason to be  apprehensive.  Which program[s] will the WSPC  â€œconduitâ€?  </p>
<p>I see a great big contradiction.  Is it ok  to be a â€œconduitâ€ for the PDA, but â€œweâ€ sure donâ€™t want to include a PDCW mailing list because those poor folks didnâ€™t vote to join the WSPC?  What baloney!   </p>
<p>Unless I am reading the minutes wrong, I notice that a whole nine (9) people voted on the merger. It failed 6 â€“ 3.  That was a dismal showing at the caucus. Folks, nine people are not indicative of anything other than a nine person caucus.  The WSPC supposedly has many, many times that number.  Whatâ€™s more,  most of the discussion took place on a WSPC Executive Board Google group prior to the caucus.  Participation in that discussion was not available to the general membership.  Letâ€™s face itâ€¦the merger was torpedoed long before it was presented to the caucus.  And someone has the gall to fret about â€œtop downâ€ management?  What a joke.  Some members of the Ex. Bd. are guilty of  top down malarkey.  Ex. Bd. members had no right to stick their noses into the Chairâ€™s right to appoint a person to fill a vacancy on the Ex. Bd.  That didnâ€™t stop them!  They did it anyway. â€œTop downâ€ accusations are only allowed if the finger is pointing at the other guy, eh?  </p>
<p>Take the By-Laws, crumple them up, and toss them.  They are not being followed except for â€œfaux-officialâ€  purposes.   </p>
<p>If the WSPC is going to be a â€œyes manâ€ (i.e. a conduit)  for any other group, why pretend it is going to be something other than that? </p>
<p>The WSPC  is supposed to be an independent progressive organization within the WSDCC.  It sure isnâ€™t feeling that way to me.  And neither is it being conducted in a democratic fashion.  (And let me make it quite clearâ€¦I am not accusing the Chair of  utilizing undemocratic procedures.)</p>
<p>Gut check time.  I see a lot of  hypocrisy.  Are we an independent organization within the party, or are we a puppet for other groups over which we have no â€“ or very limited â€“ sway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Proposal for bringing PDCW under the WSPC by Chad Lupkes</title>
		<link>http://waprogressives.org/?p=71#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Lupkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The motion failed, but we had a great discussion about online infrastructure.  We&#039;ll post the minutes from the meeting and take action the decision that was reached soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The motion failed, but we had a great discussion about online infrastructure.  We&#8217;ll post the minutes from the meeting and take action the decision that was reached soon.</p>
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